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welcome back to the Y ‘all Are Crazy Ranch podcast. We’re excited today to talk more about what it’s really like living on our family’s ranch. We’re going to get more into the dynamics of actually ranching, what it’s like to live around our animals, and just to do things a little differently, right?
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Yeah, I think we’re going to share with you guys our philosophy of our ranch and how we operate it, the beliefs behind how we raise our animals and manage our pastures and some of the practices that we implement.
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You know versus some other more conventional ways Actually, I think our way is conventional, but they’ve changed that nowadays. So but anyway, we’re gonna have a good discussion about regenerative ranching is what we do and What all that entails and yeah, okay, so You know, I’ve told you guys before I grew up on a ranch.
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My dad raised cat cattle My mom rode horses. So I grew up like in the country Lifestyle and you did not you didn’t grow up around cattle No, so it was a new thing for you And when we first got married like I don’t even think we thought about having cows or livestock or even living on a ranch Right.
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I never crossed my mind.
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I don’t think we ever thought about it So, I don’t know maybe ten years into our marriage
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We bought a lot of land we bought 40 acres at that time and we’re like what if we just bought some cows to help manage this grass You know and we started off with two Holstein steers. I forgot about them old oklahoma grassfed beef bug and chug So we bought them About a Holstein steer first of all Holstein is like a milk cow And so when you got a steer they don’t produce milk No, like they’re kind of worthless in a sense. However, they do eat grass.
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I forgot about those two guys They were super tall cows. Oh, they’re giants. Yeah.
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Yeah, they’re big cows and Yeah, and then I’ve always wanted goats. I didn’t I grew up with one goat So we had one goat her name was Daisy when I was a kid and she was just funny And so I’m like I really want goats someday now We did have goats on our 10 acres prior to this
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So we did kind of become familiar with goats throughout that time and they were such a mess like They got their head stuck in fences all the time and we just laughed at them We made them a little playground out there. So we knew we wanted to keep goats.
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Yeah Yeah, and the neighbors would always call hey your goats got its head stuck and i’m like Shove it back through.
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I know either you shove it back through or i’ll get it when I get home But it is what it is because i’ll put his head back through and 30 minutes later I’ll be stuck again in another part of the fence and exactly those things are just a love hate relationship with goats And I think john our ranch manager can attest to that I believe the only reason we he he agrees that we should keep them is because of my love for them
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If it wasn’t for that, yeah, they’d be gone. Yeah, they are a mess Yeah, they’re paying to manage but they are fun and they do eat everything and they make you laugh Oh, yeah You know for sure and they stand up on their hind legs and reach up and they’re eating leaves off the trees and they’re on Top of everything so you’ll drive by and you can guarantee a goat’s gonna be on top of the hay bale Yeah, if you put a hay bale or you know, we we roll our hay bales out when we’re feeding them We run them across, you know and string them out, you know 100 yards or however long it’ll go but sometimes there’ll be like a clump left at the end or something It’ll fall off and sure enough that goat will be just right on top of it.
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That’s why I love them Yeah, and there is nothing cuter than a baby goat.
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Yeah, baby lambs are pretty cute goats The goats take it though. You like the goats better.
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So that’s kind of our history with ranching I think once we had a couple cows were like, hey, let’s try some longhorns. They’re really pretty um
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the let’s talk about some of the great things with the longhorns because they do have a lot of great factors yeah, I mean there we call them yard ornaments because they’re pretty to look at and You know, they’re all different colors different patterns Their horns, you know are you are so pretty.
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Yeah, so it’s just it’s just neat to look out there and see You know and when each one looks different instead of just like a sea of black cows or a sea of red cows You know, you also kind of know which one is which and Then they all have their own personalities and it’s kind of neat, you know But they’re also not worth near as much as a black cow or a red cow.
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So well, they’re much skinnier They don’t have as much fat. Yeah, they’re just a thinner cow. Some good things about them is they’re incredibly hearty like they Don’t require a lot of like medical needs and medical attention.
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No, they’re probably I think they’re the most hearty
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breed out there. Like they just, they’re tough as a boot, you know?
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They also birth very easily and I think it’s cause they’re so, they have like their hips and the baby’s hips and they’re all thin, right?
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Yeah, so we don’t have to, you know, a lot of times the black Angus cows, you’ve got to be ready when you start calving because you might have to go pull one, you know? And for y ‘all that don’t know what pulling one means. I grew up watching my dad pull calves and it is – Pull the back end of a cow and grab the calf and pull. Or you, you know, you hook a chain up to it or whatever and pull, but you’re pulling it out of the cow. You know, helping the cow give birth, basically.
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And with our long horns, we’ve never had to pull.
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No, and when we started, you know, I didn’t we didn’t have a ranch manager or you know people to help us and it was Like I’m busy working. You’re busy working. I didn’t want to have to you know, pull calves and pay attention to all that I wanted something that would be more self -sufficient and longhorns are very self -sufficient in the cattle space and And they’re also like you said they don’t get that fat. So they’re very lean Some people like that because they’re a heart healthy lean animal Right and people that want not as much fat like longhorns but you know, they don’t get as fat and as big and You know, I wouldn’t say that you process them into steaks, you know Unless you’re like pumping them full of corn and stuff. They’re not gonna be super fat juicy steaks Yeah, which I love to eat. Yeah, so
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But they’re fun. And so, yeah. But now we’re switching to a South Pole breed, which looks a lot like a red angus. It’s a red cow. And they are very, some of their characteristics are they get really fat on grass. They’re short and stocky. And they do really good in hot climates.
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All good for Oklahoma.
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Because here in the summertime in August, it gets hot. And, you know, you want cows that will be out there in the sun grazing and, you know, not just gravitating underneath trees all the time and getting in the shade. And they’ll still do that some. But you want some that will be efficient in the hot summer months. And so the South Poles are. So we’re keeping our Longhorn mama cows, but we’ve got a South Pole bull. His name is Adam.
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He was the first of the line.
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He’s the first of our new line we’re creating. And so we had our first batch of calves last year from Adam and the Longhorns. And most of them are red, pretty solid. Some of them still have some other color to them, but none of them have horns anymore. And eventually we’ll have a lot of red South Pole cows out there.
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So, yeah. So changing it up a little bit. We also have sheep and we have ranch dogs. And they protect our goats, sheep, and cattle. So the ranch dogs live on the ranch. They’re very efficient and they are true dogs. I was telling somebody the other day, it’s actually pretty cool to watch dogs in their natural environment. Because in our society, like when you have a dog, you take care of it and you give it food and you provide shelter for it. And when it has puppies, like you shelter them. And these dogs, obviously we still have to feed them dog food.
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They do have a they have a pond that they drink out of but when they have babies they Totally 100 % take care of them. Oh, yeah, so they birthed them themselves and then they like take them away Dig a big den and put the babies in there for safety And they just totally take care of them like they pick them up one by one Carry them their guardians for them and it’s kind of beautiful watch It’s neat, you know, but it’s funny when you talk to people in society now because The pet thing has gone way too extreme in my opinion people treat pets like they’re humans, you know Unpopular opinion sorry, you know make
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You get mad at me because I’m saying scruff. He’s not a human but he’s not and But they treat them like that, you know And they spend all sorts of money on them and and I get it you get a relationship with the animal and I get it But we’ve taken it too far in my opinion And then when people learn about our ranch dogs and they’re like, oh you got a dog house and it’s like no For these kind of dogs, you really don’t want these dogs that they wouldn’t even get in it Anyway, you could put a dog house out there in the middle of pasture They would they probably would never get in it When you watch a dog like that in their actual natural element, it’s amazing to watch them thrive I mean they’re with those sheep. They’re with those goats the cows
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Anything that comes around I mean they are they protect their territory We haven’t seen a coyote one in any of our stuff You can tell even when we go out there even though we’re out there a lot They don’t like us necessarily being out there because they are guarding their animals and they take possession over them So you can only imagine if a coyote tried to come in there that is not happening Yeah Yeah, the last is you know your dogs you give them all their oklahoma grassfed beef shots and they’re this and they’re that and to take The vets and I was like, are you crazy? Number one, you can’t catch that thing You know you want to go catch that dog that dog it ain’t gonna let you just pick it up and take it somewhere Now we do sell our ranch dog our ranch puppies
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and we have sold a lot, but we do still have some left. So if you need some ranch dog puppies, reach out.
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We’ve got nine left, and they’re true ranch guardian dogs. Now, you could domesticate them, and some of the people that have bought them from us have.
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Yes, one of my friends bought one, and I’m like, you can’t play with it. You can’t make it a pet if you want it to guard your chickens and your goats.
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I told her that, and I knew she wouldn’t be able to, and she’s like, he’s in the house now. She’s in the house now, so yeah.
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They’ll turn into great pets, but it’s like, if you want them to do a job, and they want to do a job, it’s their natural instinct. You know, you have to leave them alone. You have to leave them with the animals, and now when we go feed them and stuff, some of them come up, and you can pet them, and.
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You know, most of them don’t though.
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They stand about five feet away and they just our daughter has a hard time not petting them And she will oh, yeah, she’ll make a pet out of them when she goes out there Yeah, the other day she found one thing. She named him Harold and she was like he was like on her lap She’s petting him and then we ended up selling him that week and she’s like you sold Harold But yeah, he found a new home.
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I was like Harold’s got to go babe. Harold’s got to go, but Maybe it made him easier to catch when John went to catch him because she had broken him a little bit Yeah, no it did for sure And so let’s talk about like some of the what does it mean to even be a regenerative ranch and kind of how we do Things this is a little bit.
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I think of a buzzword right now because so many more people are learning where their food comes from and wanting to eat in a healthier way and like You know organic has been
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big thing for a while now of no sprays and pesticides and so you might have heard this term. So today you’re going to learn a little more.
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Yeah and I just want to hit like some just high level bullet points. I’m not going to get into the science behind it. I’ve read several books on it and you know you can get as nerded out on that kind of stuff as you want, but we’re going to keep it pretty simple, high level overview, but yeah regenerative is becoming a buzzword like organic did several years ago and those of us that that watch you know healthy food and how how things are made even organic nowadays can’t be trusted all the way right because it might just mean they don’t use these kind of chemicals but they can still use some of these others or you know there’s there’s still a little bit of a
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Lack of trust, but I say organic is still overall better than not. Yes, but anyway What regenerative is is in a nutshell we’re trying to Ranch with nature the way God made it and not intervene with chemicals Yes, which is actually much more cost -effective Because you’re not buying a bunch of chemicals Yeah, so in other words like our pastures we don’t we don’t spray them with with weed killer We don’t spread we don’t we don’t put nitrogen fertilizer down You know, we also don’t till up the soil
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You know, we use our animals to graze the grass and then to fertilize the ground and the soil and feed the soil and create like a full cycle of life is back to like how did God create it.
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Let’s try to get as close to that as we can. Yeah, which is such a they just make sense like so many things in life. It’s like, well, God made it that way. So let’s try to do it that way.
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Yeah, and we’re not by any means dogging on anybody that ranches differently like hey to each their own, you know, do your own thing. You know, Papa used to tell me when people would do different things. He’s like, well, son, that’s why they make strawberry chocolate and vanilla. That’s right. Right. And so just remember that you might spray everything do is that that’s totally fine. We’re not bashing that this is just what we feel convicted of how we want to raise things.
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but you know when I started to learn that like soil health was a big deal and I remember like sometimes as a kid going to Hunting and stuff like that you dig in the dirt and find earthworms, right and you think about it now and it’s like You don’t see those very much anymore. Yeah, unless we have a really big rain or something Yeah, and usually that then you see them in the streets You know, but if you wanted to go just dig in the dirt and get some earthworms and go fishing most ranches you can’t do that and a lot of that starts because they They kill the life in the soil with the chemicals they put down and a lot of ranchers don’t even quite understand that But when you go like fertilize the pasture as an example, you put a bunch of nitrogen down there That burns up a lot of the microbes in the soil kills them dead, right? And then your grass has become reliant on that chemical to grow because it’s the only thing
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Keep, you know making it go but because of the the soil life is is toast You know you go spray everything and kill every weed in the pasture except for remuner grass Well now you don’t have any diversity in your pastures and you’re not getting Butterflies you’re not getting bees. You’re not getting all the life that comes in and pollinates things and creates other life Right, if you think about like the circle of life everything feeds off something else, right? You know, so it’s like God made it that way and there’s always a reason behind it Yeah, you know and then like if you worm your animals all the time So we don’t worm our animals unless they have to be wormed okay, but you give them these worming medicines and they go out and they poop in the pasture and it’s like that worming medicine goes into the soil and then it kills like the dung beetles as an example and kills some of Those insects that would break down those
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manure piles but they they don’t because it kills them and then so now the soil doesn’t get fed and it breaks the chain of everything you know and so we believe it’s important to work with nature and not against it and then also like if you think about like just the thought of spraying chemicals all over everything and then you get your animals out there and they just go eat it all yeah I mean and then it’s growing the meat that you are then gonna consume right yeah that just doesn’t make me feel very good yeah that’s true too you know I think there’s so much we can do when we just think about how did God make this is this necessary do I need to actually do this I think of it a lot like having babies like there’s so many things when you have a baby that the doctors are like you need to do this you need to take this test you need to do this once again you have the right to choose and you can say no
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there’s so many things that you can say no to because it’s you know you get to choose you have your own mind you get to choose and I think so many times if you just think of how did God create this God created my body to do this and so he’s going to help this come into fruition yeah you know and I’ll ask sometimes other ranchers and they’re talking to us about how we’re doing things and I’m like so why do you give your cows all those shots well you know those are say what’s the way we’ve always done it I mean it’s like but why you know a lot of them never even thought that way it’s just they were told to do that and that’s just what they do you see what I’m saying and you know for us we’re trying to think about why and a lot of times it doesn’t make sense now that doesn’t mean if you don’t have you got a sick animal and something problem yeah you got to go help the oklahoma grassfed beef animal out but what you’ll learn is a lot of times that you’re gonna build a more resilient animal and then a resilient herd and and then a healthier oklahoma grassfed beef product for people to eat now
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because we don’t spray for everything and do all that, it does require more labor to manage the animals. But I think it’s cool because, so we move our animals in the grazing season, like in the spring and summer, we’re moving them sometimes two or three times a day. So what we’ll do is we’ll have a little hot wire, like we call them paddocks, but just imagine maybe a square area of a few acres and we let all the cows in there and we keep them kind of in that smaller area with hot wire fences. And the hot wire fence is just like a thread and you just roll it up on a reel, you know? And we’ll let them graze there for a few hours. And you imagine all those animals right there, you know.
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They’re pooping and peeing and walking and trampling and it’s it’s just fertilizing that soil They’re eating all the grass there and then we’ll take that hot wire lift it and let them go have some more fresh grass You see what I’m saying? And they’ll just in the work away around and they’ll eat a lot of those weeds that would be killed and what other people Don’t realize too is those those weeds that are growing you know, they have different nutrients and minerals and vitamins and stuff in them that the Bermuda grasses don’t have and Sometimes those animals need that nutrients Um, and if you’ve killed it all they don’t get it Well, and also when you give them free range of an entire pasture They’re not going to eat the weeds because they have better choices
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But when they’re in a contained space, they’re like, well, this is all I have.
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So I guess I better eat this Yeah, a great analogy on that would be like if if we as humans went to a buffet Right, and there’s there’s 30 different items to choose from to eat.
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We’re not gonna eat all 30 of them We’re gonna pick the ones that we like the best. Yeah, what’s the Buddha? Can I because you can’t consume all 30, right?
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Yeah And so if you’ve got a hundred acres out there most people don’t don’t move their cows every day or multiple times a day They just have us a barbed wire fence around the perimeter and the animals are just out there all the time and they just do Whatever the heck they want to do Well, what happens is that animal will go and they’ll just eat their favorite stuff down to the dirt, you know And then all of a sudden there’s no grass and then you get rains come in and then it creates ruts and it creates Runoff you have to manage the animals and manage the land and that’s what we do So it does take more labor, but you’re amongst your animals all the time, which I think is a lot of fun
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And then it also gets the animals more used to you. They’re calmer. I mean, they’re more peaceful, you know?
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Yeah.
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And then you’re able to spot problems and stuff like that. But it’s really, you know, a deal where you’re raising the animals, but you’re healing the land at the same time. Some of our land out here was just overgrown with cedar trees. You couldn’t even ride a four wheeler on it. There were so many cedar trees. And we’ve cleared them all. We’ve bulldozed it. We’ve got grass growing again. And then we’re running the animals across it. And we know, like, we’re just healing that land little by little. And that’s cool to know.
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And once you get started doing that, I know we go other places and you’re like, look at all those cedar trees. Well, you would have never noticed that before. But now that we’re taking so many out and doing this, you notice things like that.
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Yeah, and so, you know in the regenerative space you let nature take its course and you try to work with nature so that means You know no vaccines for the most part unless there’s a Medical issue that the vaccine would help the animal But as the most part you’re just trying to let the animal live on the ground or off of the ground if that makes sense And you’re trying to create the circle of life. You’re trying to feed the soil You’re trying to bring in the insects, you know, I’ve noticed we’ve done this now for Almost three years, but the ranch itself hasn’t been sprayed in about maybe eight years or so Yeah, and just the amount of rabbits around now. I’ve noticed too we’ve had a uptick in like the quail population and I mean if y ‘all know around here, it’s like you don’t see quail or hear them very much And now we’re hearing them a bunch. What is a quail sound like it’s like a little whistles like Oh
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No, I didn’t know that.
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I learned something. But you know, they’re feeding on like insects and stuff like that in the grasses, and they live in these clumps of grasses, and it’s like, well, you’ve got the habitat for them now. And every time you bring in and create habitat for something, something else comes along.
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We also let the sunflowers grow wild every summer.
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Yeah.
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And the sunflowers bring in a lot of life too. Not only are they really beautiful, but they do they bring in a lot of oklahoma grassfed beef birds and wildlife.
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They do. And it’s like the more life we can bring on to our ranch, the better quality of food product that we’ll be producing at the end of the day, you know, the better our land will be healed and more vibrant.
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and the more vibrant your land is, the more animals you can raise because your ground is producing more grass to feed more animals.
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Well, we also hunt on our ranch and so deer and turkey, you know, you want them to come on your land and so that’s a big deal for us too because pretty much every time you and the boys go hunting, you see deer. Oh yeah. Which is, you know, rare but I think our land has so much that the deer, that offers the deer, that they want to stay on it.
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Yes. And so I think too, you know, we started selling beef this year and we sold out. I mean, it was kind of crazy. I didn’t think we’d sell much in a, you know, We didn’t promote it a lot. We didn’t hardly promote it and.
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If you’re selling beef, you have to take on a lot of the upfront cost, right? We got to take the beef to the butcher, pay for the processing, pick it up, bring it here, buy freezers, store it in freezers. There’s a lot of overhead involved. And so you’re kind of nervous to do too much because you’re like, well, what if I don’t sell it? Then I’m stuck with a bunch of beef and thousands of dollars worth of But we sold out.
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Yeah. This is a good time to say we have a waiting list going for me and it’s going to be available this summer, summer of 26. So if you want to get on our waiting list, go to our website.
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Yeah. There’s a contact us button on the website. Just put your name and email.
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You can send us a Facebook message through the ranch. Yeah. To let us know to get on our waiting list because it’ll sell out again.
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It will. And I think we’ll have about
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I don’t know about four thousand pounds were the beef to sell this summer and I hope we I hope we sell that I think we will I think people appreciate the regenerative ranch once they understand it and Know that like the beef you buy from our ranch as an example was raised like with the utmost care right No chemicals no stuff that you don’t want in your own body And you’re getting just a super healthy product that you can feed your family and feel good about it And I think that’s that’s worth a lot Yeah, like we said anytime you can work with the way God created things. It’s just gonna go better God created things the way he did for a reason for a purpose and when you really look at that and understand it You see God in everything It’s one of those things that once you see God in something you can’t not see him
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Then you see him and everything so it’s like even like you said like the birds and the butterflies and the beetles in the ground Like it’s very easy to overlook those things. Oh, yeah, but I think you get so excited now when you see a beetle And it’s kind of a nerd thing but he’s like look at these beetle and you video this beetle that’s something you would overlook, but when you are healing your soil and Looking for these changes and then you see it. That’s exciting.
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It takes time Okay, so if you’re out there and you’re like, well, I’m gonna start ranching this away I’m just gonna tell you it takes several years Patience and hard work you can do it. You can do it, but it is not an overnight fix But I remember our ranch manager John, you know, he’s
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He kind of grew up in the way of like you spray your fields every year and just you run that that that play And I remember when we first started getting dung beetles back like two years ago He was sending me videos and you’ve got life going on in the soil You know and a cow will like, you know drop a manure pat And then I don’t know in a matter of a couple of days It’s gone and it’s like whoa but if you’re on a ranch that doesn’t do that and they like You know give their cattle wormer all the time and they spray their fields those patties like just stay there You know nothing breaks them down And and it’s just a whole different deal But when we started seeing that life coming back, it’s exciting, you know the things you don’t think about
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And these are conversations we have. I don’t think these are normal conversations.
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They’re not normal, but it’s fun.
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But welcome to the Y ‘all Are Crazy Ranch.
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It is.
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Because we do things differently, but we also try to do them the way God intended them. And to us, that’s very logical.
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To us, it’s logical, yeah. And I’d say the last point, if people are out there and they’re wanting to, you know, some of them are looking into the grass -fed beef or lamb, and then they know about grass -finished, right? And there’s a difference, because some people will say this animal is grass -fed, but then the last 90 days of their life, they pump them full of corn, right? Well, it lived its life on grass, but then it got pumped full of corn at the end. And there’s people out there that don’t want their animal pumped full of corn. Again, you think about what’s natural and what’s not. A cow doesn’t live a life and then all of a sudden eat corn for 90 days. It’d be like us going and getting put in captivity and just…
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Pounding doughnuts forever to get as fat as possible and then they butcher it, you know Now some people like corn finished beef and it does taste good, too But some like grass finish and ours would be grass fed and grass finished We would butcher ours after the spring flush of the growth of the grass Get them as fat as possible of those months on the grass and then they would go to the butcher Never fed corn never fed cubes just grass only their entire life Some people don’t like that. Some people love it But I just want y ‘all to know the audience.
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That’s how we do it Yeah So once again if you want to buy beef this starting this summer get on our waiting list because we will sell out You can send us a message on our oklahoma grassfed beef Facebook page or go to our website Y ‘all are crazy ranch calm and fill out a form on the contact us to get on the list Yeah, so anything else we missed. I think this is a good overall view of regenerate her
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I can’t say this word, say it.
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Regenerative.
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Regenerative ranching.
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You know, you’re regenerating life.
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Regenerating, there you go.
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Yes.
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Regenerative, that’s kind of a hard word to say, but nevertheless, hopefully this gave you an overall view, what it looks like, what it means, like maybe you want to start doing this on your lander. We hear so many young couples, young families who are like, we want to do that. Well maybe this, you needed to hear this podcast.
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Yeah.
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And it’ll help you possibly create that on your own place. Or maybe you’re just a consumer of meat. And we love meat. There’s nothing I love more than a good steak. So maybe it helps you know, like to look at where does your meat come from?
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Yes.
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And how does it all work? So hopefully this was enjoyable and interesting.
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Yeah, I remember I made a Facebook post a while back of the comparison of our, of ground beef, you know, like from our ranch versus the kind you buy at the store and just the color difference in the two.
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It’s that’s a stark contrast.
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Yeah, when you see beef from our ranch and and ranches like ours It’s it’s very much more red It’s like a deep purple.
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Yeah, like you can look and then you look at the store and it’s like pink You know and you’re like, how do you even get that color? You know, it makes you wonder.
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Yeah. Yeah, so Anyway, thanks for tuning in today. Hope it was interesting. Hopefully you learned some things and we’ll see you next time until next time